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SP: I usually defend him, but HE traded for Mo Vaughn, Burnitz and Alomar (and Piazza), he also traded away Hundley.

a. He could be more detailed.

b. I think he eventually was willing to get Mo Vaughn because of that statement in which i hear…everyone else is doing it, why dont I get one of those guys for my team….

“With the Mets, I thought four, five, six guys over a six-year period of time were using it. What was I to do? You had nowhere to go as a general manager. I wasn’t going to go through every shoe box or every locker in the clubhouse and say, ‘I wonder if there are syringes in there’ I wasn’t going to expose it and not have the ability to penalize the player. We had assumptions…but you had nowhere to go on the hunches you had (about) the players.”

Segui’s defense that he needs HGH for a disorder is laughable now that the Mitchell Report has been released. He was doing a heckuva lot more than just HGH — veterinary steroids and Deca-Durabolin for instance — and he was no more than a high-class pusher, referring other ballplayers to his pal Kirk Radomski as he went from team to team.

As for Byrd, I’m equally suspicious. If he really was taking HGH for medical reasons, why didn’t he let people know BEFORE he was caught with them?

Yes. I am sure that a team knew the activities of extra ciricular activities. But HOW teams dealt with it was VERY different. Note how the mets distanced themselves from LoDuca. Was the same treatment given to Hundley, donnels and Segui? Organizations are not talking, and probably never will.

My point on team communitions: Many suspected Loduca based on his suspicious gain in baseball productivity. but that happens. But do the Fish and Dodgers share their evidence before making a trade. I am sure Peter Angelos called the Astros and let him know Tejada (and his contract) was juiced (previously) enhanced before taking 5 of their best prospects.

Piazza: point well made. But Piazza always hit. However you are right other roid suspects are not fingered possibly based on lack of evidence. Boone, Klesko…Remember brian Mcrae talking about abuse on the Mets? Yes but he was refering to amphetamine laced coffee. This piece in which Radomski refers Hundley is the first time i have seen it inferred in the METS clubhouse.

When Fay Vincent was ‘fired’ do you know who hired him? …The Mets.

Note Segui (and byrd) say their use was prescribed for hormone/pituitary disorders.

The Dodgers highly suspected LoDuca of using PEDs, and their notes about that were included in the Mitchell Report. I also find it hard to believe that the Dodgers (and Red Sox, for that matter) were the only teams in MLB who “saw” PEDs in their organizations.

Piazza most likely did some kind of PED — sorry to burst your bubble. He like many others in the late 1990s gained 25-30 pounds of muscle in one offseason thanks to “working out and vitamins”. Yeah, right. Just because a player wasn’t named in the Mitchell Report doesn’t mean he is innocent. That report is only the tip of the iceberg. Or do you believe that Bret Boone, Jason Lane, and Brady Anderson (among others) should also be exonerated?

The two interesting pieces were the Todd Hundley and The LoDuca segments:

a: The ties between Hot Rod Jr and Radomski were well documented and very plausible. We all know Todd was a high strikeout, low avg hitter but then he had that 41HR season in which his bicep were asking for trouble. Note the NEXT season (?) hundley was injured and I suspect the Mets werehappy to off load him not JUST because of Piazza.

b. Paulie: A light hitting minor league journeyman who all of a sudden became a hitter. I(we) have speculated that something kept coming up to cause teams to cut bait on him…juice(?). It was widely written that loduca was traded for an injured Brad Penny at a time when they were playoff bound and in the process lost their leader and had no replacement catcher (of like caliber). did they ‘divest themselves’ of a guy who was trying to ‘encourage’ performance enhancers?

c- i question how much teams communicated these issues. If it was KNOWN a player was juiced did that dilute his trade value?

d- I dont think the Mets knew, and to me the distanced or divested themselves from known roiders.

e-Notable too is how much mike Piazza fought the perception of performance enhancers. And again is admonished.

f. -The other unaddressed topic is the Commissioners office: Does this happen if Fay Vincent is the commissioner. Was he quietly run out because of his steroid stance (see his 1991 edict). it is very suspect that baseball on the heels of Labor and collusion issues (and expansion-retraction), Pete Rose issues install an owner and allow him to be commissioner.

g: At very least Bud MUST resign.

And I agree, this Mitchell Report is just the tip of the iceberg. There are dozens more players who were on steroids / HGH whatever.

And what we also have to remember is that this report only points blame at those players who have been tattled on. I’m sure there’s a group just as big - if not bigger - that are also steroid or HGH abusers who just haven’t been outed yet. The sport has truly been changed forever and likely will never be even close to 100% clean. There will always be enough players who could care less about competitive balance and integrity and morality and health to keep a consistent black eye on the face of baseball. For the majority of us, that won’t prevent us from watching or going to games or losing interest in the sport. But it will make us question EVERY SINGLE accomplishment and make us wonder who will be the latest player to lie right to our faces just so he can prolong his undeserving career.

By the way, if Radomski was selling all these illegal drugs, shouldn’t he be subject to jail time? Has he been granted immunity throughout these proceedings? If so, I think that’s absolute crap, because perhaps if he wasn’t there to make these drugs available, some of these players may never have gotten involved with them in the first place.