Either that or this is the first post you ever read at MetsToday. If you had the diligence to read the PREVIOUS post before making outrageous claims against my character, you would have read that I also suggested that Keith Hernandez buy himself “English Grammar for Dummies”.

Or perhaps since you’re not from California, you’re not offended by me criticizing Keith.

At least I’m consistent - it doesn’t matter to me what race, color, ethnicity, etc., a person may be — I call everyone out the same.

But feel free to keep posting ignorant comments!

never heard of the delete key?

You wanted people to see your bigotry, admit it. bigot

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Perhaps it was low of me to attack Mr. Beltran for the inability to speak the language of his native country (last I checked, Puerto Rico was a US territory).
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wow just fricking wow.

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Bigotry is FAR from my personality, and not part of my agenda.
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I don’t know or care about your agenda, but you are clearly a bigot.

The only thing i have not heard yet is that Beltran’s comment relays his passion. his 4 rbi indicate to me he is getting angry…at himself and is taking the leaders role. yes he was overly aggressive. then again his ‘mistake’ probably fired CB up….

Wasnt this a passionless club 40 games ago?

Patrick, I agree the bash on grammar was petty. I am petty about things like that, probably because I have a degree in English and poor grammar annoys me.

Not sure about the boatload of quotes to which you refer. The quote posted here is a direct transcription of the SNY interview. Maybe I misunderstand your point.

BTW when Wagner threw Beltran and other teammates under the bus, he was criticizing them for not being accountable. Maybe that’s where I came up with my presumptions.

Maybe you’re a new reader here at MetsToday. We look at things from a different perspective. Beyond the boxscore. Outside of the news reported everywhere. I pick up on little things that others don’t, or dismiss as “non-topics”. It’s what differentiates this blog from others. So I may be presumptive at times, and base things on small sentences, unspoken body language, and similar details — these are often the “little things” that I believe separates winning teams from losing teams. To me, how a player presents himself and what he says publicly says something about his character, and further, a player’s character and loyalty as a teammate DO affect a team’s performance. I’m not getting press credentials anytime soon (read: never) so presumption is often all I have to work with.

I’ll admit I might be off-base at times — possibly in this case (I hope I am). Distasteful though? Not sure that descriptive fits, but you have the right to your opinion, as do I.

Thanks again for participating, and please do in the future. This blog is about fostering conversation. I may be arrogant, obnoxious, judgmental, and condescending, but I also am willing to listen to and publish others’ perspectives. Open forum here.

While a terrilbe play by Beltran, I would have tried it if I was him too and seeing that clown on the mound who had thrown me and a couple of teammates under the bus more than once blowing yet another game.

But moreover YOUR WEAK attack on Beltran’s “grammar” which has nothing to do with the situation other than being very trivial and petty is pretty sad and only serves to make you look “small”.

And to Massey’s point, you are jumping to conclusions. Because I have seen a boat load of quotes elsewhere that position Beltran’s comment as “maybe” Wright could have blocked the ball, but he sailed it so he is trying to get the out, not just block the ball.

The problem is you’re jumping to conclusions based on one sentence. He was describing the play and not necessarily trying to defer blame to Wright. Maybe he was throwing Wright on the bus, but to conclude this based on one sentence is overly judgmental. Stick to baseball and stop trying to play moral arbiter, grammar police, etc. I’m sure you watch enough baseball to form a reasonable opinion on, say, Beltran’s aggressiveness at the plate, his fielding position, and so on, but these other attacks are presumptive, distasteful, and off-base.

But Joe isn’t really talking baseball, he somehow appoints himself as some kind of holier-than-thou moral judge–presumptively criticizing Beltran’s grammar, character, loyalty as a teammate. Once he crosses this line, he is really making a statement about his own character and so I despised him–at least for a few moments, and felt he deserved to be called out.

Because if you read the post immediately preceding this one — the one titled “Mets Game 89: Win Over Phillies”, I ALSO criticize Keith Hernandez, and recommend the same book to him (Grammar for Dummies).

So, by criticizing Keith in a similar fashion, have I “belittled” the state of California? Or do the rules change because you don’t have reason to defend the West Coast?

Bigotry is FAR from my personality, and not part of my agenda. Like them or not, I’m consistent in my criticisms across all colors, races, and nationalities.

Funny how NOT ONE PERSON defended Keith in my criticism of HIS grammar, BTW.

By the way, I never played in a “beer and shot league” but if you can refer me to one I’d be interested in trying out.

Massey: yes I am a pompous and arrogant judge, and obnoxious at times. These are the characteristics of a blogger, and traits that encourage conversation. It would be no fun if we all had the same viewpoint.

I am extremely glad that you were able to decipher my post as a personal attack on Beltran — that was the point. It was in response to Beltran’s personal attack on his teammate David Wright, for whom he showed no respect by blaming him for his own mistake. You can despise me, that’s fine, as I have enough friends already. I pose to you a question, though. If I disagree with what a player says, and what he says displays his personal character, how is it possible to criticize that player without personally attacking him?

Obviously, now I know why Cerrone over at metsblog is constantly pulling his hair out trying to moderate his own site…because of jackasses who become the Incredible Hulk with a massive ego whenever they read something they disagree with. It’s amazing how blatantly hypocritical people can be when they get all defensive when some insults are directed at Carlos Beltran, but it’s perfectly okay for them to to say some nasty things about a person I’m sure they know absolutely nothing about. Since when did two wrongs begin making a right?

What a bunch of tough guys. It’s very difficult to accept the fact that I’m on the same side as these people when it comes to rooting for a baseball team. Whether you agree or disagree with Joe’s pointed comments on Beltran’s use of the english language or his intelligence, responding with immature insults and personal attacks do nothing to restore order to the conversation.

And why are you addressing him personally when there is little chance he will read it? This style only further underscores your arrogance and obnoxiousness.

If this joke of an article is any indication, Beltran plays baseball much much better than you write, it’s not even a contest. I don’t just dislike the article, but now I despise the writer.

You can question the decision to make the throw, but this type of peronal attack is completely unwarranted.

I can guarantee you that if, for example, a team in Italy paid me $119M to play baseball, I would learn to speak conversational Italian. I’d have the time, money, and responsibility to do so.

Perhaps it was low of me to attack Mr. Beltran for the inability to speak the language of his native country (last I checked, Puerto Rico was a US territory). It may indeed have been foolish, and unprofessional. Sometimes the lowness, foolishness, and unprofessional comments of million-dollar ballplayers who blame others for their mistakes bring out the worst in me.

As stated before, I don’t care so much about whose mistake it was — I care more that Beltran threw his teammate under the bus.

First off long time since talking to you…

I’m in unison with everyone here on their comments about your post and I too was left scratching my head last night hearing these words that Beltran was spewing out in the post game interviews that even most, if not all high school players know what to do with the ball in the situation that was at hand.

Was Beltran wrong? Of course he was but this is just another piece of an ongoing problem that is wrong with this team and how they are managed(re-enforced teachings of fundamental baseball techniques and proper plays) and the continued acquisition by the Mets GM(past and present) of such players(that aren’t fundamentally sound to begin with). The only refreshing words as of late come from Jerry Manuel, who unlike Willie Randolph actually tells the press in the post games that his players are making wrong plays when asked by reporters. He’s been very upfront and honest…what a concept eh…lol

As you mentioned David Wright made a terrible decision in trying to make a sweep tag on a poorly thrown ball, when the correct play was to block the ball first and foremost so it doesn’t get by him…throw in Billy Wagner being very late at backing up the play(only made it to the bag as the throw was scooting by Wright) and you can count 3…count ‘em…3 bad…simple fundamental plays botched by 3 different players on the same at bat.

This is not an isolated case…fundamentals have been an achillies heel for a long while with team, whether its been running blunders by Reyes and Wright or poor fielding decisions by everyone on this team at one time or another and what you get is what we all have been seeing to date. Some very talented ball players, who aren’t fundamentally strong as they should be at this level of baseball.

Hence…your .500 New York Mets.

Hope to talk to you again soon Joe.

Rob Karter-

…….Not to mention, leaving themselves wide-open for more b.s. in the newspapers.

Seems to me that anyone who’s questioned the accountability of many guys on this roster is spot-on.

They seemingly pass the buck when they do speak to the media — and put themselves out there for even more criticism.

P.S. — To presume that Mr. Janish doesn’t speak another language — and to label him a “fool” for his opinion is nothing but foolish on your part.