Mets Game 140: Win Over Marlins

Mets 4 Marlins 3

Mets take the series from the floundering Fish (see what I did there? It’s the #littlethings that keep me inspired!)

Mets Game Notes

The Marlins really made Jacob deGrom work in the early innings — he was averaging about 24 pitches per inning through the first three frames, which is far too many. Somehow, though, he lasted through six innings, allowing only one run. I’m still not sure how he managed to do that, though the Pitcher’s Best Friend — the double play — certainly played a part. Still, too too many pitches by deGrom, and I’m not sure why he had to toss so many. Was it a matter of not having a “put away” pitch? Was he trying too hard to nibble and get strikeouts — perhaps because of the Mets’ recent defensive issues and taking a cue from Zack Wheeler? Was it just a weird night? Usually we see the young Marlins hacking away and ending their at-bats as quickly as possible; this was something of an aberration, from the perspective of both the Fish and deGrom.

Kind of cool to see Matt den Dekker, Juan Lagares, and Kirk Nieuwenhuis playing in the same outfield together. Now, if someone said THAT is potentially one of the best-fielding outfields in baseball, I’d be on board. It might also be among the outfields with the most strikeouts in baseball, but, hey, it’s give and take. That quip by Chris Young back in March seems laughable now, doesn’t it? By the way, you should really go back and read that post — it’s more interesting now that we have the benefit of hindsight.

If Lagares is taking this leadoff thing seriously as an audition, he’s so far doing a darn fine job of making a case for hitting at the top of the lineup in 2015. Of course, there are 22 more games to go, but so far, so good.

I sort of wish Keith Hernandez was in the booth for this series, just to hear him say, “I like the way this young man swings the bat,” every time Christian Yelich came to the plate. Yelich reminds me a bit of a young Keith, and I imagine he might see the similarity as well.

In being charged with the loss, Miami reliever Mike Dunn is now 10-6 on the season. Sounds like a record of starter, doesn’t it? Or Dick Tidrow from back in the day.

Next Mets Game

The Mets have a day off on Thursday as they trek to Cincinnati to face the Reds on Friday night. Bartolo Colon faces Alfredo Simon on Friday at 7:10 PM.

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  1. mckeeganson September 4, 2014 at 1:29 am
    This series has at least featured more offense and for that I am thankful. Is it possible that the younger Mets could be coming around? den dekker, d’Arnaud and Flores had some good at bats, and with Lagares showing new abilities by the day, I have already enjoyed September more than all of August combined. If only Granderson wasn’t hitting like a pitcher since the all- star game. Time to drop him to 6th.

    Can’t believe the bullpen mismanagement that led to Torres batting with the bases loaded in the 8th. Let Carlyse finish the 7th for goodness sake.

    • Walnutz15 September 4, 2014 at 10:25 am
      I’m not gonna waste too much time continuing along the “Collins” path, just because you could write books-worth of thesises on just how horrid a Manager he is – but did find it interesting that he went the “baptize by fire” route with Dario Alvarez. Though, we do know of his love for “creating match-ups” (#TerryBall) – that most times, wind up burning a guy after 3 pitches (or less, like last night – 2 pitches was all it took) .

      I just hope Mejia’s able to keep himself healthy going forward. That’s going to be an interesting angle, with the way the current manager throws certain guys (with past injury history, and current pains) out there 4 nights in a row, sometimes. Rinse and repeat in the case of Familia, and Parnell – for that matter, attempting to come back from serious injury.

      …………..and who the hell knows what the deal with Vic Black’s own “Parnellian” neck inury?

      …………………………fun stuff……………………………

      Overall, though – Mike Dunn had to be pretty pissed last night, in drilling Tejada w/2 strikes on him in the 8th, to load the bases —— that was about as “finished” an AB as there could have been, and ol’ Rubey got just enough hand on it – where it was more than the knob of his bat. (At least Collins was kind enough to forfeit the next out by sending Torres up to charitably strike out looking.)

      Wonder how that hand of Tejada’s is feelin’ today………….I’d like to imagine that Flores’ll be back in the lineup tomorrow night, regardless — since Tejada’s essentially worthless vs. RHP, anyway.

      His hand is probably good n’ flamed up this a.m. But, the Mets don’t play ’til tomorrow in Cincy.

      Glad to see Terry getting Ruben back into the lineup, amidst a nice little run with the bat from Flores — said no Met fan, ever.

      • Walnutz15 September 4, 2014 at 10:30 am
        …………..and just so we don’t think it’s all “pile on” negative:

        – Nice to see den Dekker showing us a bit of “Gator” – with the beautifully placed drag bunt single to get the rally started.

        That’s the exact kind of player den Dekker was at Florida, and I’d hope he gets enough time within the organization at the Major League-level, to show his “leadoff” game……at least the same kind of time that has been afforded to Nieuwenhis the past few years, anyway.

        – Speaking of Nieuwenhuis, that was a big-boy HR he hit into the 2nd deck. Impressive shot, especially in that park – from a guy not named Giancarlo. (Easily my favorite hitter to watch in MLB, by the way —- Stanton, not Kirk.)

        – Equally good to see was Duda smashing through the shift, d’Arnaud going oppo, and Herrera busting it out of the box (on an 0-for night, where we’d probably see other “phenom” prospects like F-Mart [WHO?!!! – whattaBUST, happy to say] jog out of the box).

        Good win.

        Had a very funny “Met” feeling after seeing Stanton waffle that Torres hanger. Glad Mejia was able to get the double-play ball, after the Marlins messed up a couple of bunt attempts in a row.

        Gotta love MLB fundamental play ——- disgusting.

  2. david September 4, 2014 at 2:19 am
    Kirk does strike out at a fair clip, but it is worth noting he walked 3 times today. And hit a bomb that provided half the runs. Power and patience. Is it a mirage? Perhaps, but I would like to see him and his team high OBP and OPS on field with more frequency to see what we really have in him. My own view is he is more valuable than Den Dekker.

    D Wright went from dangerous to disastrous in 24 hours. It is a humbling game. Give him a blow every 3-4 days for the rest of the season. Its not like the Mets are going anywhere.

  3. Vilos September 4, 2014 at 9:07 am
    After watching this game, and seeing the results in both score and individual play, Im starting to think that not only must Collins go but what might have happened if Backman were in charge during 2014.

    The Marlins pitcher was good and we all know they have a good, talented Young team. So was the Mets performance a one time thing, or are the young players coming along, or is it more about getting dead weight a rest and getting your lineup in order.
    This seems to have been the case for the last couple or more years, so maybe its a mirage.
    But in the same process, Backman continúes to be successfull while previously al the same level, the Mets were run out of town (búfalo)
    Just a thought

    • Yeats September 4, 2014 at 10:00 am
      If Backman were in charge? Pretty such the sames results as TC… unless Backman went nuclear or something. Sandy’s the one pulling the strings, never forget it.
  4. Yeats September 4, 2014 at 9:58 am
    Dick Tidrow? Pfft.

    Roger McDowell was 14-9 w/22 saves in ’86.

    • Walnutz15 September 4, 2014 at 10:20 am
      Just who I was thinkin’ of, Yeats…..ol’ Rajie.
  5. Bat September 4, 2014 at 1:51 pm
    I live in Miami right now and went to the game last night. Yelich actually reminds me of Dave Magadan from the angle I was sitting. Not sure if that resemblance would translate if I saw him straight ahead on TV.

    No idea why TC allowed Carlos Torrez to bat in the 8th with two outs and the bases full and the score 4-2. The Marlins announcers were also very surprised by this – the Mets had a chance to break the game open and were only leading by two runs and Torrez isn’t some stud that you don’t want to remove from the game.

    • Dan42 September 4, 2014 at 6:04 pm
      If he wanted to get more out of Torres why didn’t he use someone another pitcher for the partial inning? Without looking it up I’m sure that there was another available to pitch the partial.
  6. Vilos September 4, 2014 at 3:11 pm
    With respect to managing decitions, why must a player play every day? 162 games in 6 months is not an easy task. It seems obvious that breaks should be given in some kind of preestablushed pattern. Add achs, pains and struggles, and who outside the baseball world would question giving Wright some days off, even if he feels dangerous.
    The way Backman has managed these past two years, you really think he would have got more production from this team?
    • david September 4, 2014 at 11:23 pm
      Vilos, I do think Wally Backman gets more out of this roster than TC. Check out the boxscore from Las Vegas’ Game 1 win in the playoffs and you will see a manager who uses all of his roster and is not afraid to sit big names. Abreu did not start, but got in the game. Ditto Allan Dykstra, an All Star and last year’s Silver Slugger award winner. LJ Mazzilli comes in halfway and delivers the game winning hit.

      By comparison, consider how long guys like EY Jr, Kirk, Campbell and Satin have gone between games, at bats or pinch running opportunities.

      TC has got to go, and with both Wally and Pedro Lopez in the organization it seems stubborness or wilful blindness is the only thing standing between TC and the exit.

  7. argonbunnies September 4, 2014 at 3:33 pm
    The reason deGrom threw so many pitches is because he was getting squeezed by the home plate umpire. I kept hoping d’Arnaud or Wright would say something to Mike Winters. Koehler was getting the call 3-4 inches off either edge. DeGrom wasn’t even getting a half inch. Jacob threw at least a dozen balls in those first three innings that most umps would have called strikes. The Marlins got the hint that they didn’t have to swing at anything they didn’t want to; that’s why they were more patient.

    Yet more kudos to deGrom for not getting flustered by that.

    I’ve never known Winters to be incompetent, but he has had vendettas. Remember when Milton Bradley tore his ACL being pulled away from Winters after Winters tried to get Bradley to fight him at first base? So maybe someone on the Mets said something in the first inning that Winters didn’t like, and he was out for payback.

  8. argonbunnies September 4, 2014 at 3:43 pm
    Wright’s swing is still a mess. Tuesday’s results were a fluke, as I said at the time. Whenever I see the back of his jersey during takeback and the front of his jersey at the point of contact, it’s bad news. That’s been true since at least 2011. When I just see his side until after the bat has hit the ball, he hits line drives (including over the fence). Also true since 2011.

    I think that means his problem is “opening up” too early with his shoulders and maybe hips. And, for him, that tends to go with a reverse twist in the opposite direction when he brings the bat back; presumably as he twists back from that position toward the pitch, that gets his core rotation started too early.

    I don’t know whether Hudgens and Johnson and Natera and Wright and all the video guys have simply failed to notice this — Wright has said he’s not very analytical about his swing and goes more by feel — or whether David knows the deal and just can’t translate good habits into games. Either way, it’s a very bad sign going forward — as Wright ages, he’ll be able to rely less on natural talent. We’re seeing that already.

    • Joe Janish September 5, 2014 at 10:50 am
      I wonder if he’s doing more takeback to compensate for the left shoulder injury? I know he’s done this in the past, and he was able to work out of it, but right now there’s no question he’s hurting, and he likely is trying to over-use his hips to bring the bat around.

      BTW kind of typical Mets — everyone in the organization insisted D-Wright was “fine” and then the batting coach says on a blog that Wright’s injury is affecting his performance.