MetsBlog – As we reported earlier today, Jose Reyes will return tonight.
MetsToday – John Delcos breaks down Mike Pelfrey’s meltdown. Get it? Breaks down, melts… down… Nevermind. Read the article. It’s good.
MetsMerized – Jason from Metszilla.com is worried about the Twins’ rumored offer of Aaron Hicks and Wilson Ramos for Cliff Lee.
UPDATED (July 9): Mets Minor League Blog – Toby Hyde thinks Wilmer Flores and Josh Thole is a better offer than compares Josh Thole and Wilmer Flores to Minnesota’s offer of Hicks and Ramos. Come on, now…
TONIGHT’S GAME
The Mets (46-37) take on the Reds (48-36) again tonight. Johan Santana (5-5, 3.41) will face Matt Maloney, who is making his season debut. For a scouting report on Maloney, visit Long Live Shea Stadium.
Today’s Lineups
METS
Reyes-SS
Pagan-CF
Wright-3B
Davis-1B
Bay-LF
Francoeur-RF
Barajas-C
Tejada-2B
Santana-P
REDS
Phillips-2B
Cabrera-SS
Votto-1B
Rolen-3B
Bruce-RF
Gomes-LF
Stubbs-CF
Miller-C
Maloney-P
First pitch at 7:10 pm… Discuss…
There will never be a shortage of (seemingly) educated Met fans who are so willing to over-rate our own farm system.
Quoted from Toby Hyde’s post: “The point is, the Minnesota package of Hicks/Ramos is better, but not by as much as one would have thought before the season.” Clearly, you interpret those words to have a different meaning than I.
Come on now, Loge. At least Joe has the decency to read all of the articles he links to before trying to summarize. Maybe I’m a bit cranky from waiting around for Knicks news, but y’all are better than this.
ya dont like thole? dude is like gary carter, johnny bench and yogi berra had a kid. da best!
Hey, don’t bother to read what I wrote before dismissing it out of hand… Jeez.
Thanks Big Mike for actually reading what I wrote.
Apologies, Toby. But you spent a long time making it seem like the Thole/Flores package was comparable to the rumored Twins package. I’m sorry, but it isn’t even close and the Mets are not going to land Lee for that.
But I didn’t get to the bottom of your post. The entire comparison didn’t warrant it but I linked you anyway because I thought it appropriate to let fans decide for themselves.
Toby does great work. I trust his opinions of minor league talent better than most, especially some of the people on this blog. Right now I disagree with Mets Today’s opinion of the Mets system, and I’ve been pretty consistent about that. I read that whole article and posted it in another thread days ago. I really just think the Mets don’t want to do that deal, and I think Flores is not yet near his high in terms of value. Next year this time when he is crushing AA pitching at age 20, then I would love to see what we can get for him, but at that point I’d probably just keep him.
If you choose to believe the Mets PR spin on their system, that’s fine. Maybe they will turn out to be right, but keep in mind that Toby is a paid employee of the Mets organization. Nobody is saying he doesn’t have a right to his opinion – we all do and Toby does have a very informative blog. But maybe there should be a disclaimer on spin that suggests Flores/Thole is something the Mariners would have ever considered in the first place.
Wow, Toby watched essentially every game WIlmer Flores played in Savanah, yet you know more than him about how good he is. That is what I read from all this. Paid by the Mets or not Toby has first hand knowledge of the kid, and I trust that a lot. Just like when Joe breaks down a pitcher’s mechanics I know I am getting first hand information about a pitcher’s mechanics from the eyes of a good evaluator. That’s all I’m saying.
Actually, my disagreement was based more on Thole than anything. Joe and I both have a baseball background and sources in and around MLB teams and no one outside of Toby made the case that a Flores/Thole deal for Cliff Lee was anything other than laughable. I’m sorry calling him out ruffled so many feathers, but the premise of the post was a bit absurd.
As far as mentioning Joe and Toby in the same paragraph, come on. Toby is an up and coming broadcaster with a nice blog about the Mets minor league system. Joe has played and coached at the college level.