July 6: PM Mets Links, Lineups and Open Thread

MetsBlog – As we reported earlier today, Jose Reyes will return tonight.

MetsToday – John Delcos breaks down Mike Pelfrey’s meltdown. Get it? Breaks down, melts… down… Nevermind. Read the article. It’s good.

MetsMerized – Jason from Metszilla.com is worried about the Twins’ rumored offer of Aaron Hicks and Wilson Ramos for Cliff Lee.

UPDATED (July 9): Mets Minor League Blog – Toby Hyde thinks Wilmer Flores and Josh Thole is a better offer than compares Josh Thole and Wilmer Flores to Minnesota’s offer of Hicks and Ramos. Come on, now…


The Mets (46-37) take on the Reds (48-36) again tonight. Johan Santana (5-5, 3.41) will face Matt Maloney, who is making his season debut. For a scouting report on Maloney, visit Long Live Shea Stadium.

Today’s Lineups





First pitch at 7:10 pm… Discuss…

  1. isuzudude July 6, 2010 at 6:28 pm
    There will never be a shortage of (seemingly) educated Met fans who are so willing to over-rate our own farm system.
  2. Big Mike July 6, 2010 at 6:43 pm
    Quoted from Toby Hyde’s post: “The point is, the Minnesota package of Hicks/Ramos is better, but not by as much as one would have thought before the season.” Clearly, you interpret those words to have a different meaning than I.

    Come on now, Loge. At least Joe has the decency to read all of the articles he links to before trying to summarize. Maybe I’m a bit cranky from waiting around for Knicks news, but y’all are better than this.

  3. gary516 July 6, 2010 at 7:50 pm
    ya dont like thole? dude is like gary carter, johnny bench and yogi berra had a kid. da best!
  4. Toby Hyde July 9, 2010 at 10:16 am
    Hey, don’t bother to read what I wrote before dismissing it out of hand… Jeez.
    Thanks Big Mike for actually reading what I wrote.
  5. loge mezzanine July 9, 2010 at 10:41 am
    Apologies, Toby. But you spent a long time making it seem like the Thole/Flores package was comparable to the rumored Twins package. I’m sorry, but it isn’t even close and the Mets are not going to land Lee for that.

    But I didn’t get to the bottom of your post. The entire comparison didn’t warrant it but I linked you anyway because I thought it appropriate to let fans decide for themselves.

  6. Mike July 9, 2010 at 2:27 pm
    Toby does great work. I trust his opinions of minor league talent better than most, especially some of the people on this blog. Right now I disagree with Mets Today’s opinion of the Mets system, and I’ve been pretty consistent about that. I read that whole article and posted it in another thread days ago. I really just think the Mets don’t want to do that deal, and I think Flores is not yet near his high in terms of value. Next year this time when he is crushing AA pitching at age 20, then I would love to see what we can get for him, but at that point I’d probably just keep him.
  7. loge mezzanine July 9, 2010 at 3:38 pm
    If you choose to believe the Mets PR spin on their system, that’s fine. Maybe they will turn out to be right, but keep in mind that Toby is a paid employee of the Mets organization. Nobody is saying he doesn’t have a right to his opinion – we all do and Toby does have a very informative blog. But maybe there should be a disclaimer on spin that suggests Flores/Thole is something the Mariners would have ever considered in the first place.
  8. Mike July 9, 2010 at 4:19 pm
    Wow, Toby watched essentially every game WIlmer Flores played in Savanah, yet you know more than him about how good he is. That is what I read from all this. Paid by the Mets or not Toby has first hand knowledge of the kid, and I trust that a lot. Just like when Joe breaks down a pitcher’s mechanics I know I am getting first hand information about a pitcher’s mechanics from the eyes of a good evaluator. That’s all I’m saying.
  9. loge mezzanine July 9, 2010 at 6:20 pm
    Actually, my disagreement was based more on Thole than anything. Joe and I both have a baseball background and sources in and around MLB teams and no one outside of Toby made the case that a Flores/Thole deal for Cliff Lee was anything other than laughable. I’m sorry calling him out ruffled so many feathers, but the premise of the post was a bit absurd.

    As far as mentioning Joe and Toby in the same paragraph, come on. Toby is an up and coming broadcaster with a nice blog about the Mets minor league system. Joe has played and coached at the college level.