Mets Game 139: Loss to Reds

Reds 7 Mets 0

This was supposed to be a “getaway” game, not a “giveaway” game.

Manager Willie Randolph started the “B” squad, and they performed like it, getting shut out by career minor league pitchers and giving an all-around lackluster effort.

If you thought Oliver Perez had a bad game the night before, then Maine’s performance on Wednesday afternoon was an abomination.

Maine was rocked for 6 runs on 9 hits and 3 walks in four and a third innings. He had absolutely nothing, and was leaving his fastball over the middle of the plate. I’m going to chalk it up to him not being used to a 12:35 PM start and leave it at that.

The Mets scored no runs against Tom Shearn, Marcus McBeth, King Duncan, Jared Burton, and Mike Stanton. Not much else to add.


Willie Collazo made his Major League debut and was effective, if unspectacular. He pitched an inning and two-thirds, allowing no runs, two hits, and a walk, striking out none but inducing two ground ball double plays. He throws an 85-MPH fastball in and a 76-MPH changeup away, and mixes in a decent breaking pitch that could be called a slider. His sidearm delivery reminds me a bit of Pedro Feliciano. He doesn’t have the kind of stuff to get excited about, but he’s obviously a tenacious guy to get this far with what God gave him. I’m rooting for him.

Philip Humber was not quite as successful as Collazo in his first MLB appearance of 2007, but he finished strong. He looked nervous in his first inning, and had trouble getting his curveball grip — he exchanged balls with the umpire several times after hanging deuces (I wonder if there is a big difference between the balls in the minors and in MLB?). He threw his fastball around 90-91, the changeup at 84, and curve at 77-78. He left his fastball up and it usually had too much of the plate, and his change was up and in (to righties; up and away to lefties) nearly every time he threw it. In his second inning — the eighth — he settled down and had an impressive 1-2-3 inning, showing a hard biting deuce. Assuming he can remain relaxed, and start building confidence, he could sneak into the starting rotation in 2008.

With the Reds up 3-0 in the fourth, and men on first and second with no outs, Carlos Beltran attempted a bunt that rolled foul. What he was thinking, nobody’s sure. Even if Delgado and Alou were behind him in the lineup, it was a really bad idea. With Jeff Conine batting fifth, it was sheer stupidity.

Next Game

Off-day on Thursday as the Mets travel home to face the Astros in a 7:10 PM start — which is Dog Day at Shea. Mike Pelfrey is scheduled to take the hill against — guess who — Wandy Rodriguez.

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  1. isuzudude September 5, 2007 at 2:49 pm
    Geez, I almost forgot what a loss feels like.

    Interesting to note that all of Wandy’s 3 career starts against the Mets have come in Houston, where he’s a notoriously better pitcher than on the road. I’d like to see his performance at Shea before I lend too much creedance to his 1.89 lifetime ERA vs. the Mets.

  2. metbaseball September 6, 2007 at 9:09 am
    If the reason for Maine’s abysmal performance was due to his “not being used to a 12:35 PM start,” he should be sent down to Triple-A faster than you could say “Zephyrs” three times fast.
  3. joe September 6, 2007 at 9:36 am
    metbaseball, I hear you. I’m grasping at straws and trying to be optimistic. Bottom line is, no one on the team — Mgr. Willie included — had any interest in playing the game. It disgusts me, so I have to think up some kind of an explanation — however feeble — to soothe my angst.

    OK, maybe Ruben Gotay had some interest in the game … but beyond him …

  4. metbaseball September 6, 2007 at 10:44 am
    Sometimes Willie manages in ways that just make me scratch my head and wonder what the heck he’s up to.
  5. joe September 6, 2007 at 11:25 am
    do you mean, like, resting all of the regulars on the same day and more or less giving away a ballgame?
  6. sincekindergarten September 6, 2007 at 4:22 pm
    Joe, maybe he was trying to see if he could win a ballgame with the “B,” or “A-,” squad. That sort of info could come in really useful in four weeks or so.
  7. isuzudude September 6, 2007 at 5:57 pm
    Against Tom Shearn in Cincinnati, the Mets should have been able to field their complete New Orleans lineup and still win with Maine on the mound. But John stunk up the joint and now he’s gotta be on the outs regarding the top 4 starting pitchers for the postseason, considering El Duque is healthy. Orlando, Pedro, Glavine, and Perez have got to be the top 4 right now, as Perez gets the edge over Maine because of what he accomplished in last year’s playoffs.
  8. joe September 6, 2007 at 11:09 pm
    isuzudude, John Maine could have pitched a no-hitter and still wouldn’t have won the game — the Mets only had three hits!

    unless you expected him to put another one over the fence?

    there is plenty of time for Maine and Perez to audition for the postseason. strangely (for me), his outing in Cincy doesn’t have me concerned … i think that for whatever reason, he was affected by the team-wide emotional crash.

  9. isuzudude September 7, 2007 at 10:22 am
    Don’t misunderstand. The loss is as much the offense’s fault as Maine’s. Both lackluster performances were inexcusable.