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August 4, 2013 Mets 2013 Games Joe Janish

Mets Game 109: Loss To Royals

Royals 6 Mets 2

Mets drop two of three in the small-market sunshine series.

Mets Game Notes

I missed this game — was busy watching the Cardinals destroy the Reds in Cincinnati. From what I understand, the sun played a part in the outcome of the game. Let me know what happened in the comments. Thanks.

Next Mets Game

On Monday night the Mets open a series against the Rockies. Game one begins at 7:10 PM and pits Jennry Mejia vs. Tyler Chatwood.

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  1. Izzy August 4, 2013 at 9:11 pm
    The Sun. The Mets missed balls in the Sun. The Royals took advantage. The Royals missed a ball in the Sun. The Mets did nothing. Wheeler lost his fast ball in the 4th. Something’s obviously wrong. Terry Coillins more interested in making him the new Valdespin. First Tejada, than Valdespin, now wheeler. Guess you gotta have a young scapegoat Terry. Afterall your afraid of the vets cause they got you dumped in your first two failed gigs.
  2. DaveSchneck August 4, 2013 at 10:43 pm
    Another brutal 2nd half of baseball. Although they are necessary, I am not a big fan of exhibition games. Time to check out. The real Met season begins when they are permitted to acquire free agents.
  3. AC Wayne August 4, 2013 at 10:47 pm
    Please tell me there isn’t any truth to recent chatter that Collins is due for an extension at the end of the season. I think it’s time for the players to hear a new voice. Too much losing makes Terry a dull boy. (Had to throw in a Shining reference right there)
  4. TexasGusCC August 4, 2013 at 11:48 pm
    Dave, I’m afraid you’re right. So much for keeping Byrd to be competitive. Now, start seeing what next year’s lineup is and stop kidding yourselves, front office.
  5. mic August 5, 2013 at 2:10 am
    Next years line up notes:

    http://metsminorleagueblog.com/uncategorized/sunday-in-triple-a-montero-marvelous-flores-homers-in-51s-win/

  6. Walnutz15 August 5, 2013 at 8:04 am
    Ironic that a game like this occurs, the same morning the Mets hold a Kid’s Clinic – instructing them on “the fundamentals” of baseball.

    They looked like the Keystone Cops out there.

    – Murphy lost one in the sun.

    – Byrd botched a couple, himself – though, the 2nd one was likely more Lagares, not being aggressive enough to call him off (Byrd’s ball, but Lagares was racing directly at him on the warning track)

    – Buck, with his laziness behind the dish……wild pitches or passed balls, no matter.

    And lo and behold, the Mets were only charged w/2 errors by the Citi Field official scorers.

    Found it interesting that Collins was so “out there” in describing his conversation w/Wheeler…..he did close it all out in citing, “not that Zack was any of that” (essentially, a “just sayin'” — citing that a pitcher could close up shop — provided his defense didn’t back him) —– but it’s clear that he was taking a tough-love approach w/Wheeler.

    I understand it, but definitely feel this was a poor forum to come out into, and put it on the shoulders of your rookie pitcher…….”to say, I’m gonna end this right now!!” (Collins quote)

    How many more outs would you like him to go and get?

    • Mic August 5, 2013 at 12:55 pm
      Terry is a lame duck. He has lost his prime time player, now he berates young Wheeler. It does not bode well for him.
  7. TexasGusCC August 5, 2013 at 10:26 am
    Dan, what would you like a player to do in the minors to be a prospect to you? He is 25 years old and does what a 25 year old should be doing in the minors. However, he also plays everyday despite his immaturity. On the Mets, there is never room for the youngsters because our veterans – Turner, Baxter, and Ankiel (back then) – deserve those spots more. Please also tell me what these veterans have done in their rehab assignments in the minors and what they have added to this team. Thank you in advance for your consideration.
    • DaveSchneck August 5, 2013 at 11:41 am
      Gus,
      Give the DW injury at this juncture of the season, it makes absolutely no sense at all to be playing with the current infield configuration. Either Flores or Valdespin needs to play 2B in the bigs for the balance of the season, or at least until DW returns, and DW should not be rushed. Murphy should be immediately shifted to 3B. Satin has had a great run, but his value to the Mets is uncertain andhe has no trade value. Ditto with Turner. Playing Murphy at 3B, and either JV1 or Flores at 2B benefits the Mets in that it not only gets the Mets an extended look at a potential everyday 2B, it potentially enhances the trade value of whoever plays 2B and Murphy. That is important as well. Also, Alderson should work out a deal with Texas for Byrd within about 1 second of Cruz’s suspension being announced, so long as no one else blocks the move. If so, let someone else deal for Byrd. Mets need those ABs to go to players that can be here in 2014, even if it is a player auditioning for a supporting role.
      • Sidd Finch August 5, 2013 at 1:39 pm
        I agree with you. Though obviously now Valdespin is not an option. I see that now they’ve moved Flores to 3B at Vegas. Why does this team continue to delude itself that Murphy is a 2B? Further, bringing Flores up to play 2B and sliding Murph to 3B could only increase his trade value as a super utility guy.

        The best thing that can happen is that the team tanks from here on out, that would ensure Collins being fired. They need a new man leading this team in ’14.

        • Dan42 August 6, 2013 at 7:59 am
          Playing Murphy at third could reduce his value, by exposing his weakness there, currently a distant memory. Putting him, or Flores into a position they are not familiar with does no one any good, and as good as Flores’s PCL numbers seem, there will be a substantial drop when he hits the bigs. If those were Int’l League stats the drop wouldn’t be as severe, but the PCL is a hitters paradise.

          But since he has been called up it will be interesting to see where he plays, and how he does.
          http://www.nj.com/mets/index.ssf/2013/08/mets_promote_infielder_wilmer_flores_from_triple-a_las_vegas.html

        • mic August 6, 2013 at 10:57 am
          http://metsmerizedonline.com/2013/08/wilmer-flores-promoted-to-mets-will-debut-tonight-against-rockies.html
        • Dan42 August 7, 2013 at 8:57 am
          Too bad he didn’t get a better BD present. Not expecting much from him, but it would be a pleasant surprise if he can figure things out. Personally I’d rather see Satin at 3B to see what he can do there, and give Flores a little more low pressure seasoning until September.
  8. Dan B August 5, 2013 at 1:33 pm
    oops, JV got caught withthe juice. See ya in 50 games.
    • Sidd Finch August 5, 2013 at 1:41 pm
      Most likely in a new uniform with a different organization. The sad-funny part is that FMart got pinched too. Whatever he took obviously did him no good.
      • Walnutz15 August 5, 2013 at 2:42 pm
        4 International Mutt Signings:

        – Nelson Cruz, way back when – in ’98
        – Chump-Mart: ’05
        – Cesar Puello: ’07; and
        – THE MAN RIGHT NOW!!!! also ’07

  9. Mic August 5, 2013 at 11:17 pm
    I think there is more to this, and possibly more trainers. arods appeal will liven this up.