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Mets Games 61 and 62: Losses to Giants

Game 62: Giants 5 Mets 4

Game 61: Giants 4 Mets 2

Mets were ahead going into the late innings of both of these games, only to lose in the end.

Mets Games Notes

My apologies yet again — the job that pays the bills has prevented me from putting my full attention toward this endeavor.

Lucky for me, nothing’s changed. Is it me, or are these games like the movie Groundhog Day?

I doubt highly I’ll be able to report on game 63, as yet again I’m working on a Sunday. Don’t feel bad for me, though, as I love my job and what I’m doing. And it beats watching the Mets.

Comment away.

Next Mets Game

The final game of this series begins at 4:05 PM RCT. Zack Wheeler faces Tim Lincecum.

Joe Janish began MetsToday in 2005 to provide the unique perspective of a high-level player and coach -- he earned NCAA D-1 All-American honors as a catcher and coached several players who went on to play pro ball. As a result his posts often include mechanical evaluations, scout-like analysis, and opinions that go beyond the numbers. Follow Joe's baseball tips on Twitter at @onbaseball and at the On Baseball Google Plus page.
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  1. Bob K June 8, 2014 at 1:55 am
    I can no longer watch Mets games. I have been a fan since I was 12 in 1962. I blame current ownership. The Wilpons are a disgrace. Please sell the club so perhaps I can enjoy watching a winning team before I pass on.
    • Dan B June 8, 2014 at 8:40 am
      I feel for you Bob K, you have been doing this longer than me. With the Wilpons it is more then the lack of chance at winning, it is the feeling that this “rebuilding ” is insincere and just an excuse to not invest properly in the team. I also feel Fred Wilpon would rather lose with his son Jeff at the helm then win with someone else in charge.
  2. david June 8, 2014 at 7:24 am
    In a nutshell – Mets break hearts again. That is 5 in a row. I heard Collins about to get his option extended. Sorry to see Johan tear his achilles. He was a champion for this team and deserves better. That’s one Sandy called correctly. Disturbing comments from TDA post game on demotion.
    • Dan42 June 8, 2014 at 8:21 am
      If all he said was “”I’ve just got work to do, I’ve got to find my swing, just get it back.” I wouldn’t call it disturbing. Disturbing was giving him the job before he was ready to save a few bucks, and blow much, much, more on Granderson, Young, and even Colon.

      His .202 BA with a .548 OPS over 31 games last year was a clear indication that he wasn’t ready, so it shouldn’t surprise anyone living in the real world that it was time to face facts.

  3. DaveSchneck June 8, 2014 at 8:19 am
    Joe,
    You are much better off working, especially if you love your job. The Mets play is just dreadful all around. Losing is one thing, lousy baseball another
  4. Bat June 8, 2014 at 8:41 am
    Why was TDA’s comments “disturbing”?

    It seemed like he accepted the demotion gracefully and admitted he really needs to work on his swing.

  5. Andrew Lloyd June 8, 2014 at 11:40 am
    Bottom line is there’s no one left to fire but Sandy Alderson. He’s just plain done a terrible job of handling the major league squad; at the end of the day, winning games in St. Lucie and Vegas isn’t the point.

    I don’t understand how or why Paul LoDuca would call Omar an idiot when he acquired LoDuca in the first place. I thought Omar was a pretty good GM, excepting the Luis Castillo and Ollie Perez deals. I feel like SA has blown more deals than Omar at this point – the difference is, the Mets have sucked throughout this regime, as opposed to Omar who built one of the best teams in baseball from ’06-’08, before they broke down physically.

    I’m not saying bring back Omar – but I think it’s time for a real deal GM, here. New ownership would be a dream come true but I’m just not optimistic it will ever happen. Bummer.

    • Dan42 June 8, 2014 at 11:55 am
      A good deal of the 06-08 breakdown was self inflicted, examples being trading away effective bullpen arms and attempting to use the likes of Jose Lima et al as starters instead of Heilman.
      • Andrew Lloyd June 8, 2014 at 12:05 pm
        You’re saying Heilman would have been some kind of savior in the rotation?

        The ’06 team was clearly the best team in the NL and simply came up short in a tough series. The ’07-’08 teams were also dominant but imploded across the board, maybe because they just weren’t tough enough mentally. I don’t really blame Omar for that stuff; the team had a great balance of power, speed, athleticism, etc.

        I think Sandy giving away Angel Pagan for nothing and letting Reyes walk are two glaring examples of moves that were far worse than anything Omar did. The major league squad has visibly suffered a lack of speed and offense overall, and those were 2 premium offensive contributors. Sure, Reyes gets injured and yes, Pagan is kind of a weirdo – but imagine if we still had these guys today? Three years later, they’re still contributing for first place teams, and the Mets are still losing. We got nothing, zero for Pagan, and the fact that the Mets have a AA catching prospect for Reyes is at this point irrelevant to the final point, which is winning games for the ML squad. Not binghamton.

        • Dan42 June 8, 2014 at 9:22 pm
          I don’t think I said Heilman would be any kind of a savior, just that he was an example of bad Minaya moves, of which I’m sure there are many more that I’d rather not bring out of their graves, including the Putz trade to get rid of Heilman.

          Agreed re Alderson, especially Pagan, but the Wilponzi factor has to be considered for anything done, or not by Alderson.

        • argonbunnies June 9, 2014 at 2:32 am
          Don’t understate the importance of what Dan mentioned — giving away bullpen arms. Omar gave away Ring, Bell, Owens and Lindstrom for Adkins, Johnson, Bostick and Vargas (before Vargas was healthy and good). The collapse in ’07 was team-wide, but the collapse in ’08 was largely a bullpen issue. With Bell and Lindstrom still in the organization, no way we miss the playoffs.

          Every GM makes some mistakes, but not being able to plug the holes on a contending team was pretty unforgivable. A team that gets a stellar 160 games apiece from Beltran, Reyes, Wright and Delgado (not to mention Santana leading the league in innings) simply has to make it to October.

          Omar’s inability to build a winner with a giant payroll probably contributed to the Wilpons’ current miserliness. Every time a free agent becomes available, I bet they’re getting flashbacks of Castillo, Ollie, K-Rod and Bay. I’d guess they only signed off on Grandy because Sandy convinced them that “stealing” a likable guy from the Yankees would put butts in the seats.

  6. Steve S. June 8, 2014 at 9:15 pm
    I used to tune in to see the young pitchers. The way Collins has played Flores is a disgrace. Also, running Chris Young out there all the time is ridiculous. And if it wasn’t for Bud, Jeff, and Fred, we’d have guys like Greinke in the starting rotation, Reyes still at shortstop, and Abreu at first base and Cespedes in the outfield.
    • argonbunnies June 9, 2014 at 2:39 am
      If Flores were actually a promising young player, letting him sit so much would be criminal. However, Wilmer is nothing special, simply a hype product of the Mets not having any better position player prospects. Riding the pine sucks for him, but I don’t think we’re missing out on much.

      Agreed on CY. If Lagares gets 5 days off to find his swing, CY shouldn’t be back in the lineup until he rediscovers the Rod Carew approach he had in spring training.

      Good call on the Cuban players. Cespedes in particular would have filled an area of obvious need, and the price wasn’t that big a gamble. (Obviously I’d love Abreu too, but moreso with 20/20 hindsight.)

  7. argonbunnies June 9, 2014 at 2:49 am
    If the Mets get out-talented by an amazing team, then okay, fine. But right now they’re simply finding ways to lose.

    They missed Hammel, Samardzija and Bumgarner, caught Hudson on a day when he had nothing, faced an ice-cold Cubs lineup, got lucky on two errors from Brandon Crawford, and still went 0-6.

    Missing tags, getting rid of the ball slowly to start DP attempts, running the bases head-down, nibbling against weak hitters and grooving it to free-swingers, failing to block wild pitches or throw out advancing runners on medium fly balls, battling to good counts with the bases loaded and then popping up fastballs down the middle… I could win a game against the Mets right now. I have no skill at baseball, but I’m sure they’d find a way beat themselves.

    • DaveSchneck June 9, 2014 at 8:56 am
      Argon,
      Well stated. I know baseball, as with all sports, is a results-based business. Winning means wide interest and increased revenues. But, to Met fans that like big league baseball, like most that comment on this blog, it is not simply losing, but it is how they lose. Calling a team meeting Saturday, then getting Hudson on his worst day of the season, not capitalizing, and executing little league plays in the field and on the basepaths, that is just brutal. It is unwatchable, and may well signify that this franchise is reaching a new low. If the #3 and #4 hitters don’t dramatically increase their performance, in every facet of the game, they may run thier sub-.500 streak to a decade. Who will be left watching? The quality of play is now THAT bad.
  8. DanB June 9, 2014 at 9:03 am
    Argon, the Mets flopped in 07 and 08 because they didn’t fill holes by the trade deadline and I’ve always heard that was Jeff Wilpon’s interference. And if you blame Omar for Perez, Bay, etc… you also have to credit him for Beltran, Delgaldo, etc…The Met’s revenue under Omar was much higher then it is now. They were drawing close to 3 million in an old Shea Stadium. I think the Wilpons were drunk on the revenue since they were using it for their ponzi scheme and making real money. When the ponzi scheme went away, their costs became a real concer. Add some really bad loans and you have the current Mets payroll. Who the GM is/was means less then who is the owner.