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December 4, 2013 13-14 Offseason Joe Janish

Curtis Granderson Ate Salmon

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According to various sources, Curtis Granderson had dinner in Manhattan with Mets executives on Sunday night, and ate salmon.

At this point, there is nothing else to report.

However, in a miraculous coincidence, I ALSO ATE SALMON JUST LAST NIGHT. Holy crap! What does it all mean?

Luckily, salmon tend to live in the river, rather than the (Jason) Bay.

What did you have to eat last night? Or on Sunday, for that matter?

Joe Janish began MetsToday in 2005 to provide the unique perspective of a high-level player and coach -- he earned NCAA D-1 All-American honors as a catcher and coached several players who went on to play pro ball. As a result his posts often include mechanical evaluations, scout-like analysis, and opinions that go beyond the numbers. Follow Joe's baseball tips on Twitter at @onbaseball and at the On Baseball Google Plus page.
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  1. heilman's revenge December 4, 2013 at 10:35 am
    I’m Happily Married. I’ve Got More Than Enough to Eat at Home.
  2. Mike B December 4, 2013 at 3:11 pm
    I wish they would give Carlos Beltran some salmon.
  3. friend December 4, 2013 at 3:17 pm
    “I ALSO ATE SALMON JUST LAST NIGHT”

    Hmmm

    “Holy crap”

    Crap anagrams to carp.

    Mets are thinking fish. Now, what fish? Maybe trout. Eureka!! Mets are about to get Mike Trout.

    • Joe Janish December 4, 2013 at 4:47 pm
      Or Mike Carp?
      • crozier December 5, 2013 at 12:34 am
        Oh well. Granderson to Marlins, I guess.
  4. DanB December 4, 2013 at 4:16 pm
    Why do I get the feeling the Mets know it will take four years to sign him so they will offer three years so they look like a player?
    • Steve S. December 4, 2013 at 4:29 pm
      Hope you’re not right about the Wilponzis making a show out of this to placate the fans (which won’t work). I think they know they have to really try to seal the deal on Grandy with four years. If Ellsbury got 7 years, with an 8th year option, Granderson will get at least four, with staying in NYC a bonus and with Harvey coming back in ’15 an added bonus.
  5. DaveSchneck December 4, 2013 at 5:19 pm
    But Joe, did Sandy pay for your salmon? Or, maybe the bigger question is, did he pay for Granderson’s salmon with some of those $5s he had stacked at the GM meetings? And, did he give him a box of chocolates as a parting gift?
  6. argonbunnies December 4, 2013 at 8:51 pm
    Alderson: Let’s do the 4th year as a team option. I’ll give you a handshake agreement right now that we’ll pick it up unless you’re injured.

    Granderson: Hang on. Let me ask Jeremy Hefner first.

    This offseason may be the best chance to get an impact OF, but I’m not sure Granderson counts. I’d rather break the bank on Choo or even Beltran than go 4 years on Granderson. I expect he’ll be a liability on both sides of the ball by 2017 at the latest. A 3-year deal is already a gamble.

    I hate to be harsh; Granderson seems like a great guy. But remember the player he was in Detroit? Singles, doubles, triples, steals, defense? He hasn’t been that guy in years. He’s now nothing but a ton of strikeouts, a decent number of walks, and some short porch homeruns. Out of the Bronx, he’ll be Lucas Duda with average D instead of terrible D. That’s an improvement, but not one to spend big bucks on.

    • DaveSchneck December 4, 2013 at 11:59 pm
      AB,
      Don’t completely agree on Grandy. I am not in love with him by any means, but I think that given the current position of the Mets, he is the best option. A few counterpoints – his power is legit and not just a product of Yankee Stadium. In 2011 and 2012, his last two complete seasons, he hit over 40 HR with 20 and 17 coming on the road. While he has lost a little defensively, he should have no problem providing league average to plus D in LF when playing there regularly. He’ll best faster at age 60 than Duda is right now. Regarding the alternatives, no way the exceed $100 mil for Choo, who can’t hit 4th, and Cruz to me is J Bay 2.0 waiting to happen with his one dimensional game. That 4th year bothers me a lot, but it likely becomes a necessity in this market. At least it isn’t 7 years.

      An additional factor is that if they concede the #2 pick and sign him, they may be better positioned for Drew, who would only cost them a #3 pick while he would cost most other suitors a #1 or #2. I am not big on Drew either, but he is a legit MLB SS, decent on both sides, and is worth 3/$33 mil. If they nabbed Grandy and Drew, and obtained a legit starter to replace Harvey, that is the makings of a decent team, one that could at least hang in the WC race.

      • argonbunnies December 5, 2013 at 3:08 am
        I’m with you on Grandy over Cruz!

        As far as plus D in LF, many CFs have said the transition takes time. Also, the few times I saw him in CF for the Yanks, his reads and arm were poor and he looked awkward closing on balls. His speed is fine, but no longer impressive. I could be wrong about the arm, but add it all up, and I’m underwhelmed.

        As for his bat, it’s been a weird ride. His first year under Kevin Long he struggled, but in his second year it was like he was a new hitter — different stance, different swing, immensely improved power and ability to hit lefties. At age 30, he was a legit MVP contender. Entering 2012, the question was, would it stick?

        The answer in my eyes is a resounding NO. Granderson kept the stance and the swing, but the results fizzled, and he’s fanned 260 times in his last 220 games. If he were a first baseman, everyone would be predicting he’d soon be out of baseball, as increasing K rates and decreasing BB and hit rates are the hallmark of the slugger’s decline, (plus his age feeds into that narrative).

        You’re right to point out that his power is good for some bombs on the road, but 20 HRs on the road and 13 non-cheap HRs at home makes you a legit 33-Hr guy, not a legit 40-HR guy. Not that the Mets couldn’t use 33 HRs, but if he’s in decline you have to bet on less than that, and is that good enough to pay a .230 hitter $17 mil?

        For a 3-year deal I’d be willing to cross my fingers, but 4 years would just be awful.

    • crozier December 5, 2013 at 12:37 am
      Granderson, Young and Lagares is a pretty great outfield, defensively.

      Offensively? Hmm.

      I guess it could be okay, under absolutely perfect storm conditions.

  7. DanB December 5, 2013 at 8:33 am
    I know of a team that pays boatloads of money to Icharo and Wells to sit the bench. If the Mets give Grandy a fourth year, they could always sit him or cut him if he is not producing. Considering the Mets are about $100 million under where their payroll should be, they have the room