Mets Game 85: Loss To Braves
Braves 3 Mets 1
Mets swept by Braves and are oh-for-July. At least it wasn’t another one-run loss(?).
Mets Game Notes
Jacob deGrom very nearly worked out of a very difficult initial inning, and in fact, seemed to have ended the frame unscathed on a two-out, two-strike curveball to Chris Johnson that just missed the outside corner. Moments later, Johnson ripped a hot shot down the third base line that skipped past Eric Campbell and cleared the loaded bases. Might David Wright have stopped that ball? Maybe? Maybe not. It’s why they call it the “hot corner,” and it would’ve taken excellent reactions to glove that scorcher. It’s a game of inches, as evidenced by the near-strike-three and that batted ball.
What needs to be pointed out, however, is not how those inches went the wrong way, but how the inning started. As deGrom began delivering his first pitch of the game, Ruben Tejada had his back to home plate, seemingly looking at or talking to Eric Young, Jr. in left field. By the time Tejada turned around, the pitch was on its way to the plate and hit by B.J. Upton. Of course, Upton grounded the ball in Tejada’s direction — what are the chances? Out of position and not properly set, the grounder barely eluded Tejada’s backhand stab. Would he have fielded the ball cleanly had he been set? I sure think so. The inning fell apart from there, and you have to wonder what might have transpired had deGrom began the inning with an out. #littlethings
Other than that rough first frame, deGrom pitched well. Can’t really blame him for the loss, but unfortunately, he gets another “L” added to his record.
Eric Young, Jr. and Juan Lagares combined to go 4-for-8 at the top of the lineup, setting the table for the big bats down the order. Unfortunately, only one other Met collected a hit. Difficult to win with that kind of offensive showing.
Brilliant, web-gem-worthy, clutch play by Tommy La Stella to get a fielder’s choice and the second out of the 8th inning on a bounding ball that could have leaked into the outfield and created a one-out, first-and-third situation. Instead, it was almost an inning-ending double play. La Stella dove to stop the grounder just behind the second base bag, then flipped it directly out of his glove without an exchange to Andrelton Simmons to retire the lead runner. #jerseystrong
What else to say? I got nuthin’.
Next Mets Game
Mets get a day off on Thursday, then head home to host the Texas Rangers in a weekend series. Game one begins Friday night at 7:10 PM, and features Jonathon Niese vs. Nick Tepesch (no relation to Vlad).
On the subject of business, how can Mets fans expect to be told this team is being built like Oakland and Tampa Bay? Both of those teams play in lousy stadiums with much lower ticket prices, and much smaller fan bases. The Mets also get Billions in TV revenue that the other teams can only dream of. So why on earth should the fans be patient with play that is mediocre at best. They should not.
There was no better place than Shea when the Mets were on top. The fans will come out and support a Good team and management that is serious about winning. I can’t see how this team qualifies at present.
Again I say it is time to make a grand bargain. Change has to come, sooner or later.
else to say? I got nuthin”.
OMG!!! Now I blame the Wilpons. They should have boarded their private plane, flown to Atlanta and slapped him straight for that comment. Or, because I live in Atlanta, they could have called me and I would have done it for them. I didn’t know I was rooting for a positive run differential this season. Stupid me!
On the subject of business, how can Mets fans expect to be told this team is being built like Oakland and Tampa Bay? Both of those teams play in lousy stadiums with much lower ticket prices, and much smaller fan bases. The Mets also get Billions in TV revenue that the other teams can only dream of. So why on earth should the fans be patient with play that is mediocre at best. They should not.
I agree wholeheartedly but unfortunately Mets fans are paying the price for the Wilpons shortage of cash due in large part to the Madoff debacle.
ChrisB, I too was bothered by that quote from Sandy. I’m something of a statistics guy, but I don’t understand how run differential can exactly equate to a rough determination of what a team’s record *should* be? If the Mets have been, for example, 15 runs worse than the other team but then they win a couple consecutive games by blowout of 7 and 8 runs, respectively, that immediately eliminates the run discrepancy so then all of the sudden the team is even in run differential whereas before there was a relatively significant gap? I suppose the counter to that is that sometimes – over a statistically relevant period of time – you get blown out and blow people out so again the issue is examining the evidence over a statistically significant period of time. But when Alderson says things like this it bothers me…I feel like he makes comments a lot that essentially say “We’re not that bad” but at the end of the day you are what your record says you are and again I get tired of being a New York sports fan and seeing the Mets run like they are a team based in some puny media market.
It’s like a slap in the face of all of us that love this team. I’ve grown tired of his schtick and his saber-metrics. Bases per out, run differential, BABIP, etc. does not win World Series’. Good talent does and I have doubts he knows what good talent is anymore. And sometimes it is necessary to go above and beyond (spend $$$).
In the larger picture, this institutionalized ignorance/dissonance is far from unique. Witness Joe’s continuing exposures related to kinesiology. I hereby invite the promotion of the term “crypto-kinesiology” as well.
I *think* friend is suggesting we use “crypto-kinesiology” to describe the ignorant people in the broadcast booth who are unqualified to speak about human kinetics (i.e., Mitch Williams and other former pro pitchers with no formal education in kinesiology / body movement).
Kinesiology’s picture is a little murkier since it’s not a licensed/regulated/professional designation. However, there are plenty serious doctors that do focus on and study the body movements. so as long as Joe is getting his kinesiology lessons/explanations from a reliable source, I see no problem with it.
I’m not going to pretend to argue.
I don’t understand this statement. Kinesiology is a distinct science with plenty of research happening in it. Kinesiologists can earn advanced degrees such as Master of Arts and Doctorate. So, not sure what you mean by it being not regulated/licensed/professional.
Thank you for the last sentence, though. Yes, the scientists I confer with all have advanced degrees as referenced above. Angel has a M.A., for example. Some of the biomechanists I speak to have doctorates. All have published scientific papers, conducted extensive research, and spoken at conferences attended by other scientists, medical surgeons, certified sports trainers, etc.
Additionally, every single explanation given by Angel during our podcasts come directly from years and years of research conducted and supported by the scientific community.
Currently, you don’t need a license to call yourself a “kinesiologist” in the United States, and you only need to earn a license in Canada if you are in Ontario, as a result there are some fake kinesiologist out there. Of course, there are serious doctors that focus their studies on body movements/biomechanics/kinesiology, hence my “reliable source” part. (For example, if a “kinesiologist”‘earned his/her degree in American university of Antigua I’ll be very skeptical)
A little off topic, but same kind of problem exist in nutritionist field which is also not been regulated very efficiently and certainly produced some fake nutritionist, even some famous one that talks on TV a lot.
At the same time, is “mathematician” a licensed / regulated / professional designation? Or a “sabermatrician”?
I do realize you are not attacking my sources, and I appreciate that. What I want to point out is that there are fields of study where there can be ambiguity in discerning who are actual “experts” — but that doesn’t mean the science behind it is ambiguous.
In other words, if a person without a masters degree nor any formal education calls himself/herself a “kinesiologist,” that doesn’t mean the science of kinesiology is flawed or incomplete. Kinesiology exists, it is studied, researched, and tested through the same scientific method as other fields of study, and, WHEN INTERPRETED BY QUALIFIED PEOPLE, can help explain (among other things) how and why athletes perform well (or poorly), and how/why athletes suffer specific injuries.
As you point out, identifying the “qualified people” can be a problem.
Sabermetricians actually originally specifically refers to people works for Society for American Baseball Research, which are most, if not all sabermetrics statistics comes from.
My point being Kinesiology is not as regulated as some other study in medical field, and I would bet there are certainly more people pretend to be kinesiologist than the people pretend to be sabermetricians.
So to clear some possible confusion/misunderstanding, I never said that Kinesiology is pseudo-science or there are some fatal flaws with it or Kinesiology concept is ambiguous, but I would be extra-careful that my sources are reliable. You said yours are, that’s great and I’m looking forward your next post/discussion involving it.
I am very curious to see what these people are saying, and what their motivation might be.
Many thanks.
http://www.nj.com/mets/index.ssf/2014/07/mets_reliever_vic_black_finds_long_toss_key_to_his_hard-throwing_success.html
It talks about hoe Vic Black, Jon Niese and Carlos Torres feel they all get benefited from long toss. You have always been against long toss and with very valid reasons and explanations. Is that results overcome sense? or science?
Your thoughts.
Black’s belief that long toss was the reason for his success is about as plausible as Wade Boggs’ belief that eating chicken made him hit better: if anything, it’s all in his head.
Niese’s comments display the absolute ignorance of most MLBers.
Thank you for sharing, this gives me plenty of fodder for future articles that hopefully will help the kids.